This is a discussion on Any other Auto Ordnance M1 carbine owners have issues? within the Rifles forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Ok so I took my 2 newest rifles to the range today, my Gewehr 98, and the new Auto Ordnance AOM 130 model M1 carbine. ...
Any other Auto Ordnance M1 carbine owners have issues? This is a discussion on Any other Auto Ordnance M1 carbine owners have issues? Within the Rifles forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Ok so I took my 2 newest rifles to the range today, my Gewehr 98, and the new Auto Ordnance AOM 130 model M1 carbine.
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September 15th, 2014, 10:08 PM | #1 |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina | Any other Auto Ordnance M1 carbine owners have issues? Ok so I took my 2 newest rifles to the range today, my Gewehr 98, and the new Auto Ordnance AOM 130 model M1 carbine. The 98, what can I say, almost 100 years old and still hitting the steel at 100 and 200 yards very easily with nothing but irons. What a well designed rifle, the germans got it right. Well I wish I could say that for my M1 carbine. Ok so it went like this I was using aguila 110 grain fmj bullets, and new korean 15 round mags. For some reason the bolt was having trouble chambering the rounds, it would try to enter the chamber at too steep of an angle and bolt would hang up. So I figured well its a new gun, new mags, new ammo, I kinda expected a few issues, but not this much. I was kinda thinking it may have been the mags fitting loose, the ammo may had been out of spec, or the feed ramp may need a little polishing. So I continued to have to manually cycle the bolt. Ok second issue was that a few rounds failed to extract the empty case. So I stopped, disassembled the rifle and inspected the gas system, and of course the piston retaining nut was loose causing the gas to escape and not correctly cycle the gun. Well I didn't have a gas piston nut tool available, so I tightened it as much as I could with what I had on hand. So that solved that issue. But I am still baffled by the other issue. So I inspected the mags, the korean mags have a hold open follower, the factory 15 rounder does not, both have an ak rifle looseness, or small wobble, mostly coming from the front of the magazine where it contacts the mag well. So after firing 50 rounds I am still pondering, and kinda disappointed with auto ordnance for the loose gas piston nut. So to stream line the rifle I came home and polished the feed ramp, this is something I am used too since I have cut several m4 feed ramps on ar lowers with great accuracy. I then ordered a wolff extra power recoil spring, since I feel the factory spring isn't stiff enough, and a new gas piston wrench so I can properly tighten the gas piston castle nut. If these fine tuning doesn't work its going back to AO for repairs with the stock parts. So my question is has anyone seen similar problems with the auto ordnance m1 carbines? What did you do to correct the issues? Do you think the mags, ammo, feed ramp angle, magwell loose fit, or other issues are to blame? Also how does this compare to the genuine GI m1 carbine as far as loose fit of mags, ammo compatibility, mags with bolt stop, or without, etc. Thanks for your thoughts and experiences... |
September 17th, 2014, 02:13 PM | #2 |
Appearances are tricky Location: Moonshine, TN | Man, I wish I could help you. I would think a guy or two here would have something to say... Sorry your M1 Carbine is handling well. |
September 17th, 2014, 02:47 PM | #3 |
Location: Maryville IL | One of your two newest guns has been worked on. |
September 17th, 2014, 03:32 PM | #4 |
Location: Indiana | Short answer is that it doesnt compare to a GI m1. Auto ordinance has had various issues with these and I have never seen one work properly. Sorry to hear yours is added to that list. |
September 17th, 2014, 04:15 PM | #5 |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina | Yeah, I am gonna work through it, eliminate the possible issues, and see where it takes me. I have seen alot of guys say that they too had issues, but after they got several hundred rounds through it, it finally panned out. So I am optimistic, and hopeful. I will update this thread with how it progresses after I upgrade it, and work the bugs out. Only reason I didn't go with a real GI is I wanted a new gun, and nobody else makes a new M1 carbine except maybe James River, or Fulton. But if this doesn't pan out I may have to go that route. Like I said I am hopeful, and determined. |
September 17th, 2014, 04:28 PM | #6 |
Location: Indiana | 'New' GI M1s exist but $$$$. I hope that it does sort itself out for you. Good luck Tacky. |
September 17th, 2014, 05:41 PM | #7 | |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina |
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September 17th, 2014, 05:48 PM | #8 |
Location: Maryville IL | I've got the Paratrooper and the standard M1 Carbine both by Auto Ordinance and Kahr. They both came in cases beyond expectation and they both fired without malfunction right out of the box with a quick bore snake run just before loading up. Triggers are good and both models are extremely extremely well balanced and light. Count me one owner of two who has no problems with either. My purpose to get both was to shoot them and enjoy them the moment I fired them. They are not used. I have looked at the GI models used for sale and to be honest without even discussing the paranormal prices they look like the junk WWII turned them into. Last edited by sav250; September 17th, 2014 at 05:51 PM. |
September 17th, 2014, 06:04 PM | #9 |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina | Good looking rifles, I hope I get your same results. Question does you magazine fit loose at the front? Love your m1a as well, i have the scout 18', and I own a 1943 garand, both great rifles, with no issues. Last edited by Tacky; September 17th, 2014 at 06:07 PM. |
September 17th, 2014, 06:42 PM | #10 |
Location: Maryville IL | The full length carbine has a bit of forward rock in the base of the magazine when it is clicked in. The paratrooper model magazine has very little movement but it is also harder to 'click in' than the other rfle's magazine. |
September 17th, 2014, 07:06 PM | #11 | |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina |
I am really thinking that the loose gas piston nut is the main cause for issue. My theory is that since it was loose, gas was escaping, and the bolt wasn't moving fully to the rear because of the low gas pressure. So in turn the bolt has less energy to strip the rounds from the magazine. Which in theory was causing the miss feed. That seems plausible, what do I you think? I ordered the m1 gas piston wrench to properly tighten the nut, then back to the range for testing. I wish it had been included with the rifle, since its required to clean the gas piston, I would have paid extra for that, but thats just a personal gripe. |
September 18th, 2014, 03:54 AM | #12 |
Location: North Coast of America, Southern Coast of Lake Erie | On a GI carbine, the gas piston nut is staked in, and not meant to be removed. I was lucky enough to get in on the CMP sale of carbines not long before they sold out. My feeling is that if you want an M1 carbine, get a real one. My Inland 'WWII junk' was made early in production, and was rebuilt post war at an arsenal. It has worked perfectly, and is pretty accurate at 100yds. I use GI mags mainly, but I have the Korean mags, both 15 and 30rd. They have worked fine for me, no problems. |
September 18th, 2014, 06:58 AM | #13 |
Location: NY | all mine are USGI.. The mags are very important, and even with USGI some aftermarket mags are a problem. On mine, some of my USGI M1 carbines give me feeding problems on the first round, if I fill the commercial mag to capacity, have to leave out 1 or 2 rounds on the commercial mags. I have about 3 different manufactures of commercial mags, the ones from keep shooting seem to be the best. All the others are crappy imho, but usable if not filling them up. USGI mags WERE always perfect working. Any mag in the carbines, will have a little looseness.. without 'feeling' yours, I couldn't tell if it's any worse than any of mine. you may want to try and get a couple of USGI mags, they are out there and not much more than commercial mags. Stick with the 15 round mags. If the case from the fired round is ejecting well, and the next round is not going in to battery correctly, I don't think it's the gas system. It could be a week main spring, could be an Extractor problem, could be the mag. I had a USGI bolt with a broken Extractor claw.. so had feeding and ejecting issues. On the USGI carbines, the first thing to do was to take apart the bolt and completely clean (as well as the rest of the carbine)... some times it was full of crude.. but yours being new, this should be the issue. 2nd thing (probably should have been the FIRST Thing)... if your KARH/AO carbine is new, it's under warranty, and KARH / AO is very good with warranty work.. as good as Ruger. I have a 1911A1 Karh / AO, that gave me odd feeding problems not mag related (got a bunch of different 1911 mags, any mag used gave me the same issue). I did the 200-300 round break in, and the problem never changed. I called Karh/AO, they said, send it back , we'll make it right. I sent the Karh/AO mag back with the 1911A1, 5 days later, a perfectly running 1911 was returned.. worked with all my 1911 mags. Aguila ammo, I've shot some of it, don't really like it.. but it functioned fine. I don't have a chrono... but based on shooting Prvi, S&B, and real USGI LC , they all had the same POI from the same POA.. But for the Aguila shot low, and dirty, and didn't smell as good the S&B with smells just like that great smell from the USGI LC. I stick with the S&B, Prvi, and if I can find it the USGI LC... |
September 19th, 2014, 03:46 PM | #14 |
'The Real Deal' Location: Back woods of North Carolina | Well, I did some more experimenting today, properly tightened the gas piston nut with the proper wrench, seems ready. I was at my local gunshop today and picked up 300 rounds of 110 grain soft point ammo, some monarch, some ppu. It wasn't my first choice, but its kinda tuff to find 30 ammo, and I am also trying to build a supply of brass to reload. So any how, I took the rifle apart, Installed the wolff extra power recoil spring. I then loaded some of my mags, the 15, and 30 rounders and tried to duplicate the problem. Well the AO doesn't like soft point, the soft lead tip was hanging up between the gap from the feed ramp, and chamber. But if you singly loaded them into the chamber the bolt closed full. So my next plan is to load some fmj 110 rounds, and see if that helps. I have seen some guns not like polymer tips, some not like hollow points, I wonder if this is the case with the carbine. I know my m1a, and m1 garand both requires fmj, or hollow point ammo, the thompson 1927 requires fmj only in 45acp, so maybe the carbine is similiar. Thoughts? It also seemed the FN 30 rounders had the tightest fit in the mag well, the korean 15 rounders were better than the factory 15, and promag 10 rounder I have. If that doesn't work, it will be going back to Kahr/ AO to be repaired through warranty. Already discussed it with my dealer where I bought it from. |
September 19th, 2014, 04:56 PM | #15 |
Location: wayne nj | I cannot help you for some reason m1 carbines are illegal in nj. M1a sare legal mini14s are legal ars are legal. it makes no sense. |
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